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The Cost of things: July 2014

05 Tuesday Aug 2014

Posted by M.C. in Bowdu the shiba inu, Bowpi the basenji, Finances, Food, drugs & other ingestibles

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budgeting, comfortis, elanco, glucosamine, joint supplements, pet finances, vet

Too close. TOO CLOSE.

This is my fourth year of tracking pet finances at the House of Two Bows. This is an ongoing effort to get a practical sense of what it costs to keep two 20 ~ 30 pound adult dogs in an area of the US with relatively high costs of living. Previous posts in this series can be found under the category of finances.

The Cost of (Pet) Things for July 2014:

  • Food: $30 [previous month, $21]
  • Treats: $31 [previous, $6]
  • Grooming: $5 [previous, $0]
  • Vet & Medical: $411 [previous, $0]
  • Accessories and misc: $0 [previous, $0]
  • TOTAL: $477 [running average for 2014: ~$187/month]

Most of this month’s food total goes towards Bowdu’s liquid glucosamine, which is not a cheap supplement. It really seems to be effective though, so I’m incorporating it into the regular budget. Otherwise, the food costs this month only include some whole pike mackerel and chicken drumsticks. The freezer is starting to look a bit bare though, and I’ll need to do a kibble run for August.

Treats included commercial treats on a buy-3-get-1-free deal, and a couple packs of raw pig’s ears, seven pieces total, which were chopped and dehydrated. Still have a gallon bag stashed in the freezer, which will get us through next month.

Grooming supplies were a 3-pack of store brand baby wipes from Target. I use these for Bowdu’s feet after walks, especially in the summer. He has been licking his feet black, which has been a seasonal thing the last few years. As long as he’s not breaking skin, I’m satisfied that his summer allergies are being kept under control.

Obviously, the big blow this month was veterinary costs. You can see my previous post about Bowdu’s vet visit for the breakdown on that. Twelve doses of Comfortis are also included in this figure. This time, they sent me a special “loyalty” promotional code for a $35 rebate on a pack of twelve. I’m never very optimistic that the rebate will go smoothly, so I’m not accounting for the discount until I actually receive it.

Anticipating another high total next month. And it’s going to be a busy one… Meanwhile, after three weeks, I can say that Bowdu is doing better, probably due to a combination of the supplements and time. He’s not at 100% though, and now he’s blowing his coat again so he’s back to looking rough and scraggly.

20140804 Sunset Bling

We’ve been enjoying some gorgeous sunsets all last month, most of which I fail to capture in photo. Some things are better experienced off screen, anyway.

20140804 Earpiercing

The Cost of things: February 2014

04 Tuesday Mar 2014

Posted by M.C. in Bowdu the shiba inu, Bowpi the basenji, Finances, Food, drugs & other ingestibles, Health

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budgeting, canine dental, comfortis, dog clothing, dog treats, flea allergies, flea preventatives, hurtta, pet finances, petmeds, soloxine, virbac

20140201 Ears

This is my fourth year of tracking pet finances at the House of Two Bows. This is an ongoing effort to get a practical sense of what it costs to keep two 20 ~ 30 pound adult dogs in an area of the US with relatively high costs of living. Previous posts in this series can be found under the category of finances.

The Cost of (Pet) Things for February 2014:

  • Food: $10 [previous month, $67]
  • Treats: $12 [previous, $50]
  • Grooming: $8 [previous, $0]
  • Vet & Medical: $121 [previous, $0]
  • Accessories and misc: $44 [previous, $23]
  • TOTAL: $195 [running average for 2014: ~$167.50/month]

Yeah for an awesomely low FOOD total! Well, that’s about as low as it ever gets, anyway. Rocking the power of 50% discounted chicken, cheap organs, and working through the food we already stockpiled.

For treats, the Bows got a bag of C.E.T. HEXtra Chews in the “petite/small” size, which I have found to work pretty well even though they’re marked for dogs under 11 pounds. The other sizes are made from chlorhexidine coated rawhide, while the petite size is about a five-inch long stick of what I can only describe as a “hide-like compound.” Well, I mean, they are made of actual beefhide, and other ingredients, but it doesn’t look like it. They seem less of a choking hazard and less apt to cause intestinal blockage for the Bows, anyway.

CET HEXtra chews, petite

These days, I’m hard pressed to find anything I need to bump up my PetMeds orders to reach their minimum threshold for free shipping. I tacked on one grooming/hygiene item, another tube of dog toothpaste, because an order was necessary in the next category.

For Vet and Medical needs, Bowdu got another 250 days of Soloxine refills at 8 cents a pill for 0.4 mg (or 0.2 mg per dose, twice a day) from PetMeds. That’s a good deal.

What was not a good deal and kind of pissed me off was that Comfortis prices have yet again been jacked up, at $100.53 for a box of 6 ordered directly from my vet. No free dose this time. This is up about $10 from last year, purchased at $92.12. Yet, it’s still cheaper to get it directly from the vet, since this is the only way you qualify for the ongoing Elanco rebate (minus $10 on a pack of 6, or $25 on a pack of 12). PetMeds charges $98.99 for the same amount, and the rebate does not qualify.

Not that the rebate is much to praise. My WTF, Elanco? post, in which I ranted about the company’s repeated difficulties with processing my simple rebate, has become one of this blog’s most visited and commented posts, even a year after I wrote it.

I swear, I only stick to Comfortis because we have no better alternative, specifically for Bowdu and his flea allergy dermatitis that is made worse with his thyroid condition (more on that in another post). Anyway, if I’m ever at the vet at the same time that the Elanco rep is dropping in, boy do I have a lot I want to say…

[Edit 7 March 2014: Elanco now has an online electronic rebate submission form. Interesting. Let’s see if that streamlines the process at all…]

Finally, in accessories, I picked up a Hurtta outdoor jacket for Bowpi, because rain! (we need it badly, here in California). And I got it on sale at an excellent price! And her three-year-old Outward Hound jacket (pictured below) is getting ratty and in need of replacement!

Outdoor Hound jacket, three years later

And… and… Dammit, I really don’t have any good excuse to have spent $40+ (with shipping) on a freaking dog jacket. Sigh. I admit, I did it in a moment of weakness. The item hasn’t arrived yet, and I’m skeptical about feeling like my purchase was justified once I receive it. At least, given the good things I’ve heard about Hurtta, it better not suck.

WTF, Elanco?

13 Monday May 2013

Posted by M.C. in Food, drugs & other ingestibles, Human escapades

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comfortis, elanco, trifexis, what is wrong with your company

Edit 14 May 2014: Received check. It took over two months, which is about as “good” as it ever gets, in my experience. Geez.

Edit 13 May 2014: Received an e-mail letting me know my Comfortis rebate was on the way. Maybe a step closer to an actual electronic tracking system?

Edit 1 April 2014: Aaaand the circus continues. I tried to submit a new online rebate request on 3.7.2014. Today I received a letter dated 3.24.2014 that they could not process my rebate “due to one or more of the following reasons: * original veterinary invoice not included; * original veterinary invoice did not clearly show purchase of Comfortis; * scanned vet invoice is illegible.” Trust me, I double-checked all those requirements before submitting my online rebate request because comments to this entry show that Elanco is clearly in the business of denying rebates. If anything was illegible or unclear, it’s only because they’ve got illiterate dimwits working for them. Damn straight I’m resubmitting my form, and keeping photocopies of everything in the meantime.


I’ve mentioned before how Bowdu’s allergies compel me to keep him on year-round flea medication. The drug I’ve chosen for the task is Comfortis, despite some concerns with their customer service I’ve posted about in the past. They typically offer a mail-in rebate, which we’ve cashed in each time we’ve been eligible.

This is the letter I received in response to my latest rebate request.

    Dear [my name, misspelled]

    Thank you for submitting your request for the Trifexis® (spinosad + milbemycin oxime), Comfortis® (spinosad), or Elanco product rebate offer.

    We appreciate your interest in this offer. However, we are sorry that we are unable to process your request at this time due to the following reason(s):

    • Package stamp(s) not included. Required package stamp(s) appear on top of product box. UPC Barcode from flap of product box is not the valid package stamp to receive rebate. Package Stamp Example: [example]

    If you need to request a new rebate form, please call our rebate customer care center at 1-800-983-9993.

    To resubmit your rebate request (if applicable), please return this letter along with any missing or correct information within the next 2 weeks to … [address]

    Please allow 8 – 10 weeks to receive your check after re-submission.

    Sincerely,

    Elanco

Elanco has really abysmal customer service

Dear Customer “Care” at Elanco, the makers of Comfortis® and Trifexis®,

Your rebate processing staff is either incompetent or dishonest, or quite possibly both.

Attached, you will find a copy of the original rebate form which I mailed the week of March 18, 2013. You will notice on my photocopy that the original package stamp you have requested was stapled to the form. Just to make it even MORE obvious than it originally was, I’ve circled the staple in blue highlighter.

I kept this photocopy for my own records because this isn’t the first time your rebate processing department has botched a seemingly simple request. Since your office lackey couldn’t even spell my name or my city correctly, I’m pressing my luck expecting them to not misplace my package stamp in the 12 seconds it takes to input my data into whatever antiquated rebate processing system you’re using. I mean really — in 1982, it might have been acceptable to take 8 to 10 weeks to get my check in the mail, but your people can’t even communicate what the hell happened over the phone, let alone track what happened by e-mail (though you’ve required me to give it with the sole purpose of spamming me…).

So as you can see, I can’t send you the “missing” information because I had already sent you the correct information in the first place.

Get your act together and give me my ten bucks already. I need it to buy myself some more chill pills because ineptitude like this makes me want to storm your office with a staple gun. Luckily you’re in Kansas and I’m in California and I don’t actually have a staple gun.

20130216 Graaaagh!

Edit: Just in case anyone wants to take offense on behalf of incompetent paper pushers the world over, I want to add that it took not one, but two calls to get the situation sorted out. The first person was clueless, which is part of what prompted this rant. The second person was lovely, and — wonder of wonders — managed to process my rebate without the need to resubmit information, and within two weeks, at that! So what was all the fuss on their end about in the first place?

Comfortis: monthly flea protection in an oral dose

18 Monday Mar 2013

Posted by M.C. in Food, drugs & other ingestibles, Health, Reviews

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ADE reports, advantix, adverse drug experiences, allergies, bad reactions, Center for Veterinary Medicine, comfortis, drug reactions, drugs, elanco, FDA, flea allergies, flea dermatitis, flea preventatives, fleas, frontline, milbemycin oxime, spinosad, trifexis, veterinary medicine

Comfortis

When Bowdu was battling his summer of extreme allergies, I became adamant about the need for continuous flea control. In the past, we’d used monthly topicals with apparent success. It was difficult to see any bugs camping out in Bowdu’s thick fur forest anyway. But in the process of trying to deal with his allergies and improve his skin condition after his hypothyroidism diagnosis, our vet — a new one to us, at the time — recommended that we bathe Bowdu a little more frequently during allergic months, and give him an oral flea preventative to complement that measure. She recommended Comfortis (spinosad), which we’d never tried or heard of before from any of our previous vets. We started using it in October 2010 and have been satisfied with its effectiveness.

There are several disadvantages to spot-on topical flea treatments like Advantix and Frontline. The application process itself isn’t an issue, but I never liked the smell — and if I dislike it, I can only imagine how the lingering scent assaulted Bowdu’s sensitive nose. They leave an unnatural residue, I couldn’t bathe let alone touch the dogs for days after application, and even when instructions were followed to the letter, fleas seemed to return well before a whole month had lapsed… as we found out when we got Bowpi, whose short fur made them easier to detect.

The Bows are active, outdoorsy, and relatively social. If we do nothing, they will pick up fleas, and the last thing we need is an infestation in the house. So it’s critical for me to keep them on some kind of flea preventative — Bowdu in particular, as I fear that a single bite could trigger an itch that would cascade into another summer of dermatitis hell.

Dips and rises

So Bowdu gets his flea meds pretty much every month here in the California Bay Area, the land of eternal spring. Fleas never seem to go dormant here, and I’d rather Bowdu be on prevention than deal with the aftereffects. I am more conservative dosing Bowpi for a number of reasons.

For one thing, she really hates the taste. Comfortis claims their product is a “chewable, flavored tablet” that is “readily consumed by dogs.” If it tastes like it smells, it must be rich with the flavor of… medicine. Blechk. We learned just how adept Bowpi can be at spitting out pills because of this drug, which she will NOT ingest unless it’s split up and well hidden in a flavorful, sticky meal. Since you’re supposed to administer this with food, luckily this is not a huge issue.

Secondly, Bowpi’s short fur makes it not only makes it easier to find, but also to eliminate fleas by hand. I’ll often let her go without the drug until I do happen to see a bug. Then I snatch it off her white belly or wherever, she gets medded at next meal, and the problem is quickly resolved. It is startlingly fast and effective; one time, I just happened to find a dead flea on her two hours after dosing her. The package claims that one dose will start killing fleas in 30 minutes, and it remains effective for an entire month. I do not exactly understand the internal mechanism by which the drug spinosad works, but it’s obviously potent!

What are you doing? This is not a topical...

The main reason I take it easy with Bowpi is because of her weight. She ideally hovers around 20 pounds, give or take half a pound. But the first time my vet sold us the drug, she automatically prescribed the same dosage for Bowpi as 30-pound Bowdu. This makes it easier for us to just buy one box specified for dogs 20.1 ~ 40 pounds that we can give to either dog as necessary, instead of having to purchase two separate boxes.

HOWEVER, I do not give either dogs a full pill. I generally break each tablet into four quarters as evenly as possible, and give Bowpi the equivalent of half a pill while Bowdu gets three-quarters.

I do this for a couple reasons. Elanco’s product label for Comfortis states that the 10.1 ~ 20 pound dosage contains 270 mg of Spinosad per tablet. The 20.1 ~ 40 pound contains 560 mg of Spinosad per tablet, or just a little more than double the amount of drug in the previous weight range.

Recommended minimum dosage for the drug to be effective is 13.5 mg/pound — so each dose actually contains just a little more than this baseline amount for the top end of the weight range to ensure the drug’s effectiveness. Bowpi for example, if at a full 21 pounds, would need at least 283.5 mg (50.6% of a pill) and Bowdu at 30 pounds needs at least 405 mg (72.3%). The drugmakers expect the dogs to be able to tolerate some overage, and indeed, my dogs never seemed to have any problems the two times I gave them the full pill.

Unfortunately, many others do. I first noticed an alarming number of online reports of negative reactions to Comfortis collected in the comments section of an entry by Dr. Patty Khuly dated March 29, 2008 on Fully Vetted, Comfortis, the flea-killing wonder drug, and the general state of flea drug resistance. It was introduced to veterinary use that year, and Dr. Khuly was singing its praises. The comments piling up under that post, however, seemed overwhelmingly negative — now at 139 comments at the time of this post and still accumulating, including the top voted comment about a Shiba Inu’s bad reaction. I have seen no followup on Fully Vetted or on Dr. Khuly’s new blog at VetStreet.

And then I started noticing handfuls of Shiba and Basenji people on my breed-specific forums reporting and asking about bad reactions to Comfortis and its sister drug, Trifexis (which contains both spinosad and milbemycin oxime for heartworm prevention). I got curious and asked about specific weights and dosages, and noticed that everyone who reported issues had pets that weighed in the lower 20-something pounds, but were giving full pills for 20.1 ~ 40 pound dogs. In one case, a Shiba owner followed up with a call to the company hotline, and was told that her specific cluster of symptoms (laying in “contorted positions,” being unresponsive, trembling, having difficulty maintaining balance) had not been reported before.

Unfortunately, the company representative was flat-out wrong. The FDA has actually collected pages and pages of documented Adverse Drug Experiences for both Comfortis and Trifexis — cumulative reports available in .pdf form here (search by drug name, not product name). So make no mistake — it is a controlled substance, and no drug is “perfectly” safe, as the full document made apparent to me.

That said, my own dogs have not had any problems with it, especially not after I began minimizing and fine-tuning the dosage on my own. My own conclusion was not that the drug itself was inherently evil, but that it remains important to monitor my pets for their own, individual sensitivities. Because the Bows have not reacted badly, and for us, the benefits outweigh the [unseen, to us] risks, I do plan to continue using Comfortis. Nevertheless, knowing that my specific breeds (and of course, others) commonly fall in that lower 20-pound danger zone, where they seem most susceptible to the possibility of overdosing, I will continue to suggest splitting up the pills as a precaution. No, the drug is not “guaranteed” to be blended evenly throughout the pill, and it’s not scored for ease of division. But this works for me until Elanco decides to fine tune this particular dosage jump.

Note: a similar problem applies in the difference from 40.1 ~ 60 pounds (810 mg) and 60.1 ~ 120 pounds (1620 mg), but the change is most pronounced in the size upgrade I’ve been discussing.

Stinky Comfortis

In summary…

Comfortis PROS:

  • Highly effective, fast-acting, consistent
  • Leaves no smell or residue
  • Lasts a whole month
  • Allows pets to be bathed as necessary
  • Relatively easy to administer with food, though picky pillers may need some tricks

Comfortis CONS:

  • Noxious smell and taste may make it unpalatable to some dogs
  • Must be prescribed by your vet
  • More expensive than topical treatments (approx. $60/box for spot-ons vs. $90/box for a 6-pack of Comfortis)
  • Does not take care of ticks
  • Poor customer support from company (based on my own experiences in addition to anecdotal information above)
  • Potential for adverse drug effects not fully acknowledged

Finally, if you do find that your pet has experienced an adverse reaction to this or any drug, please ask your vet to help you fill out an Adverse Drug Experience form to send to the FDA. Internet anecdotes and the advice of well-intentioned non-professionals such as myself should always be taken with caution. Ultimately, the relevant regulatory agencies also need to be notified through the appropriate channels.

Adverse Drug Experience form: http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ReportaProblem/ucm055305.htm
Comfortis website: https://www.comfortis.com/
Trifexis website: https://www.trifexis.com
Elanco Pet Health (makers of Comfortis and Trifexis): https://www.elanco.com/products-services/pet-health.aspx

Edited to add more relevant links to anecdotal information as I stumble across new info:
Trifexis Toxicity in Dogs: Charlie had a Scare!

Bowpi sees the vet

15 Friday Mar 2013

Posted by M.C. in Bowpi the basenji, Finances, Health

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blood tests, canine dental, comfortis, dog back injuries, pet finances, vet

26 February 2013

In anticipation of Bowpi’s third year adoption anniversary, I scheduled her a general veterinary checkup, including full bloodwork and a required rabies booster. Aside from the vaccination clinic (DHPP) and the emergency visit, her last official checkup was nearly a year ago for her lick granuloma back in April 2012. Unfortunately, even after a round of Betagen, it’s still there as a toughened and unsightly bump. As it remained unchanged in size and didn’t seem to bother her, we moved on. In nearly all other aspects, she has been alert, healthy, living and dreaming to the fullest, so I figured now was as good a time as any to run a full blood exam on her as a baseline from here on out.

“Since she’s technically a ‘senior’ now, we would recommend it,” commented the vet when I asked her to order the tests. My vet considers any larger breed dog that’s five years and older, and smaller breed dogs seven years and older to be fading just out of “middle age” by default. I know she means no offense, but I can’t help but cringe when I hear that word… Senior? Hardly! Not if she’s going to live to be 16 or 17 years old, like so many Basenjis I’ve heard about, right?

Very long face for vet day...

I confessed that just last week, Bowpi seemed to have suffered an unexpected injury as she was heard yelping when jumping up onto the bed. And onto the couch. And peeping just slightly when jumping into the car. We examined her all over and found nothing caught in her toes, no tenderness or sensitivity in her legs, and not a scratch on her. Figuring it could be a muscle or a joint thing, as happened to Bowdu about a year ago, I started slipping her some glucosamine as well, and lifting her up and down higher levels for a few days. Her gait was not noticeably affected, and she was still quite willing to run and dart about with other dogs as well, so we figured she was all better and let her jump up and down at will. But then a day later, her peeps returned.

16 February 2013 Twist and turn

The doctor figures it’s likely a minor back injury, a “very common complaint” with older dogs. Thank goodness she didn’t drop that s-word again. She recommended helping Bowpi up and down higher levels for as long as a month so as not to create additional discomfort.

Meanwhile, I was glad not to be chided for the state of her teeth and rancid breath. We really are trying, I swear! The vet assured me that her teeth were “not that bad,” and encouraged me to keep brushing — which I do, as best as I can. She suggested that Bowpi’s gnarly breath probably has more to do with her unique stomach flora than tooth decay, which makes sense to me. We’ve learned how to navigate and avoid Bowpi’s vomiting patterns since the very first day she joined our home, since she does seem to have a sensitive stomach, but she still has quite a capacity for launching unexpected oral stinkbombs. She’s particularly dangerous when stuff has been sitting in her stomach for a while. Anyway, this is just another thing to keep an eye — or nostril — out for.

The blood tests came back normal for almost everything. There were a few categories (specifically cholesterol, reticulocytes, and HGB/HCT) which were slightly off, but not alarmingly so. I’m more apt to pin the blood aberrations on temporary physiological issues, and I’ll take the slightly high cholesterol as an indication that I should continue to be careful and keep up with diet research, adapting as necessary.

The damage:

  • Office Call: Annual Exam, $56 $50.40 (after student discount)
  • Canine Rabies 3-year booster, $21.75 $19.58 (student discount)
  • Total Body Function, $169
  • Comfortis for 20 ~ 40 pound dogs (6 pack), $92.12*
  • Referral credit, -$56 (because I sent a friend to this vet)
  • TOTAL: $275.10

* Elanco (the makers of Comfortis and Trifexis) is still offering a mail-in rebate for 6 or 12-pack purchases, but my vet’s price on this has gone up by a few more dollars again, as seems to happen every time we refill. Gargh.

The cost of things: April 2012 + Lifetime Costs of Pets

02 Wednesday May 2012

Posted by M.C. in Bowdu the shiba inu, Bowpi the basenji, Finances, Health, Links

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betagen, budgeting, chondroiton, comfortis, glucosamine, honest kitchen, lick granulomas, supplements, vet

This is part of my ongoing effort to track our pet finances here at the House of Two Bows. Previous posts in the series can be found under the category of finances.

21 April 2012

The Cost of (Pet) Things for April 2012:

  • Food: $90
  • Treats: $14
  • Accessories and misc: $0
  • Grooming: $0
  • Vet & Medical: $171
  • TOTAL: $275 (running average for 2012 ~ $184 / month)

Food-wise, two purchases puffed up this figure. Earlier in the month, a mild playtime injury revealed that Bowdu was no longer as young and limber as he used to be, so we are introducing canine glucosamine, chondroiton, and MSM to his diet. At $12.99 for an 8 fl. oz bottle of K9 Glucosamine from Liquid Health from my local pet store, it’s certainly not as inexpensive as I had hoped it would be, particularly if we will be adding this long-term. Bowdu’s condition did improve with both time and supplements, so I think we should keep it up while I research other options.

Also on the tab was an order from Honest Kitchen to make use of a free shipping coupon that we got. I haven’t even dipped into the box of Keen or two canisters of Sparkle yet (still working through a portion that I had saved in the freezer from the end of last summer). But this should be plenty to last us for a couple months…

Obviously, the other major category this month was veterinary bills. To prepare for summer fleas, we restocked on Comfortis, purchased directly from my vet. I have found that my vet’s price on this is more competitive than the online pharmacies because they give one free dose with every six-pack purchased, and they frequently offer mail-in rebates ($10 off this time) that are only available for prescriptions purchased directly from veterinarians. Through my vet, it ends up being about $11.22 a dose for each 20 ~ 40 pound dog (compared to $15 / dose at Pet Meds or Drs. Foster and Smith).

And finally, there was Bowpi’s vet visit for her lick granuloma (which still remains, but she isn’t bothering it as much anymore). I typically itemize my vet bills here to give a sense of just how expensive veterinary care in the California Bay Area can be, so here is what our bill amounted to:

  • Office Call: Examination, $56 $50.40
  • Cytology: In House, $76 $13.50
  • Betagen topical spray (60 mL), $28.53
  • TOTAL: $92.43

On Wednesday, students get discounted services at this particular vet — hence, the different prices seen above. It is always a shock for me to walk in and out of an appointment with a bill that’s less than three digits! Hey, we’ll take it!

21 April 2012 Slink

Finally, sharing a link scooped via Doggerel: The Lifetime Costs of a Pet, broken down by type of pet, from fish to feathered and furred species. Mint.com says the total lifetime cost for a single dog is over $25K! How do they break it down? You can take a look for yourself and see if you agree…

Provided by Mint.com

The cost of things: June 2011

06 Wednesday Jul 2011

Posted by M.C. in Bowdu the shiba inu, Bowpi the basenji, Finances, Food, drugs & other ingestibles

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budgeting, comfortis, organix

I delayed this one because I knew the total would be much higher than desired, and I didn’t want to think about it. But whether or not I want to calculate what was spent last month, the money’s already gone, so might as well face the facts…

IMG_5906
2 June 2011

For a background explanation on why I’m charting our monthly pet expenses, please check my first post in this series.

THE COST OF (PET) THINGS: June 2011

  • FOOD: $58
  • TREATS: $10
  • ACCESSORIES & MISC: $24
  • VET/MEDICAL: $330

TOTAL: $422
(Running average for 6 months so far: $265)

I feel like I gave up on squeezing pennies this month after Bowpi’s eye emergency. But surprisingly, I spent only half of what I spent last month on food, though it felt like I was stockpiling a lot of raw meat (including half a dozen little quails, a pricey meal at about $2 a bird).

We also lucked out this month with a free bag of Castor & Pollux Organix, a giveaway from All Things Dog Blog. Since this brand only comes in a chicken-based formula, Bowpi has been the sole recipient of this prize. I’m actually not sure if we’re going to keep feeding it due to some possible food reactions experienced last month with a different food… anyway, I’ll explain in a forthcoming post.

Edit: Under “Miscellaneous,” Bowpi finally got microchipped at a low-cost clinic. For a mere $24 (after a $15 coupon), I thought it was better to be safe than sorry, what with the upcoming Fourth of July weekend.

Meds hit us hard. In addition to Bowpi’s vet visit, there was over $100 in refilled prescriptions between Bowdu’s Soloxine and both of their Comfortis. I’m a little miffed to discover that the price of the latter has increased significantly since we last refilled it in February. It was $83 for 6 doses after a $5 coupon this time (and no complimentary bonus dose, boohoo), which means that the total cost for a 6-pack has gone up $10. That’s hardly a minor, incremental increase. However, I checked 1-800-Petmeds and they want $97.99 for the stuff on “sale” (regularly $122.49!). So maybe I’ve got no room to complain…

Comfortis has been extremely effective since we started using it last August, and with the threat of allergies dogging us all summer, I don’t want to risk even a single flea bite that will set things off. That’s why I was expecting to keep them on year-round flea prevention. But at this rate, both for financial reasons and for the sake of decreasing the amount of drugs they ingest, I think we’ll skip the stuff from, say, November through February, or longer if we can help it at all.

The cost of things: February 2011

02 Wednesday Mar 2011

Posted by M.C. in Bowpi the basenji, Finances, Health

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budgeting, canine dental, comfortis, soloxine, vet

For a background explanation on why I’m charting our monthly pet expenses, please check my first post in this series.

This month kind of hurt.

THE COST OF (PET) THINGS: February 2011

  • FOOD: $81
  • TREATS: $32
  • ACCESSORIES & MISC: $42
  • VET/MEDICAL: $557

TOTAL: $712
(Running average for 2 months so far: $430)

Eee. Gads.

While this month is not representative of normal pet expenses here at the House of Two Bows, I also didn’t do a very good job meeting my prescribed goal of moderating purchases by keeping track of them. Food and treat expenses still exceeded the previous month, somehow. I had expected these costs to go down, since we have a freezer full of meats and raw meaty bones (which we’ve been diligently thawing and feeding). We’ve switched to Primal Raw patties instead of nuggets, which is more cost efficient though it takes some extra maneuvering to measure out the food in the right proportions. We also had to purchase two bags of kibble this month, a large and a smaller bag. All of this may get us through most of next month. And while I didn’t buy as many bags of treats this month, they were fancier — ostrich jerky, specially coated dental chews, and a large bag of training treats.

Under Accessories and miscellaneous, I’ve included some topical anti-fungal and OTC antihistamines in preparation for the possibility of another impending onslaught on Bowdu’s immune system in March. This is when things started to get bad for Bowdu’s skin last year, so I’m hoping to head some problems off at the pass.

And finally, about those vet fees… We refilled Bowdu’s Soloxine ($15 / 250 pills), reloaded both their supply of Comfortis ($78 / 7 doses), and then there was that big ol’ dental procedure that caused this month’s total to mushroom…

Bowpi - before and after dental work (layout provided by our vet)

The thing is, while that procedure itself is exceptional, I’m not about to brush aside the figure. That is, I would feel much more secure as a pet owner knowing that I could drop hundreds of dollars on vet fees, if emergency calls for it. So even if we didn’t have to bother with a full dental procedure for Bowpi this year, even if nothing out of the ordinary happened to either dog, this is an essential consideration for any pet budget, absolutely not to be dismissed.

Now is it always possible to have that kind of money on hand? Of course not, not for everyone. Again, I’m lucky to have someone to help me split the bills. Fate willing, I can at least fall back on good credit…

By land and by sea

19 Friday Nov 2010

Posted by M.C. in Bowdu the shiba inu, Bowpi the basenji, Food, drugs & other ingestibles

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affection, comfortis, fleas, sleep

What lies ahead
Photo taken 6 November 2010

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Photo taken 12 November 2010

Within a day of being late with their monthly dose of Comfortis, I found a tiny little flea on Bowpi, which I quickly nabbed and smashed to death in a fold of Scotch tape. Ugh! Don’t they know it’s November already?! We may very well be on flea medication all year here, now that we have two dogs and a compulsive fear of allergies (Bowdu’s only gotten flea drops 3 ~ 6 months of the year before). I suppose this nuisance is in exchange for not having to deal with snow.

Nevertheless, temperatures do drop here in Northern California, as they have the past few days. Nights when it gets down to the high 50’s/low 60’s indoors, Bowpi’s been extra snuggly under the covers. Her favorite spot is smack-dab between the Doggy Daddy and me. We deem this fair and appropriate. Both of us benefit from her heat, and she gets the additional security of a human torso enclosure.

This is one of the biggest differences between Bowdu and Bowpi that might be generalizable to their breeds. While both Shiba Inu and Basenji are primitive dogs that are supposed to be “aloof” (particularly with strangers) and “independent minded,” Bowpi seems to have a much higher threshold, indeed, a desire for human touch. Sometimes when people, even guests, are sitting on the living room couch, she’ll jump up and eventually sneak her way onto an open lap. One minute she’s just leaning against you, and the next thing you know, she’s got you weighted down with 22 pounds of persistance. It’s actually somewhat awkward, since she’s a leggy, angular creature with all sorts of anatomical corners that don’t fit nicely against human surfaces. At least she accepts being shifted and adjusted without complaint!

Bowdu, on the other hand, is much more nonchalant about physical attention, and often gives the impression that he’d rather do without it — especially when he’s sleeping. This is why he gets his own bed, whereas we haven’t bothered getting one just for Bowpi. Her previous owner said she won’t sleep in a doggy bed by herself, though she likes to share.

And Bowdu sure as hell isn’t known for being a good sharer.

Anyway, he’s got enough fur to maintain his own body temperatures. The furless humans are happy to keep sharing Bowpi’s warmth, but not her bugs. We’ll be having another dose of Comfortis, please.

REVIEW: Various medicated shampoos and Bowdu’s feet

01 Monday Nov 2010

Posted by M.C. in Bowdu the shiba inu, Food, drugs & other ingestibles, Health, Reviews

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allergies, baths, canine atopic dermatitis, canine hypothyroidism, chattem, chlorhexidine, comfortis, dechra, dermapet, earthbath, eqyss, fleas, foot licking, greentree, grooming, ivermectin, ketoconozale, mal-a-ket, medicated shampoo, pododermatitis, selsun blue, septiderm-v, shampoo, space dogs, trichlocarban, triclocarban

Hey, I haven’t posted any updates on Bowdu’s feet in nearly a month! In this case, no news is good news.

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Photos taken 31 October 2010

Yes, his feet are still blackened and calloused. The patch of fur on his thigh that was shaved for his blood draw (see above left picture), over three weeks ago, has barely grown back. I suppose I can blame his hypothyroidism for his prolonged healing times, but in other respects, he’s doing really well.

For the first time in months, Bowdu’s been sleeping cone-free. He’s been continuously cone-free for at least one week now, which is really monumental considering we started with this cone nonsense all the way back in July. We are so proud of him!

Both Bowdu and Bowpi are also now on Comfortis (spinosad), the oral flea medication recommended by our new vet. Despite my desire to find more natural flea preventatives, it was evident that we had too much to manage in our environment and lifestyle to risk even a few flea bites which would set Bowdu off. I double and triple-checked that it was safe to use with Ivermectin, since they’re both also on Heartgard. Assured in triplicate that both medications were safe to use together provided we remained well within proper dosing limits, we gave both dogs their flea meds two Sundays ago, and we haven’t seen a single flea on them after the second day of taking the medication.

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Bowdu’s gnawing and itching hasn’t been completely eliminated yet, but I’d say he’s 90% there. In particular, his back thighs, his groin, and his muzzle still cause him to itch — I think from remnant flea bites and habit. The most important thing to me is that he is not fixating on his paws, and has more or less learned to leave them alone. I’m very paranoid about the possibility of a recurring infection, so we’re continuing to do what we can to manage his bacterial and fungal activity in the meantime.

One reason we switched to Comfortis was because it allowed us to bathe Bowdu more regularly, specifically his feet, as recommended by the vet. This is supposed to wash away any accumulated allergens and to prevent his natural flora from growing out of control, since his own immune system is unable to regulate efficiently. As I recalled from the article “Clinical Practice Guidelines from the International Task Force on Canine Atopic Dermatitis,” “There is currently no evidence of any benefit from using other shampoos or conditioners containing ingredients such as oatmeal, pramoxine, antihistamine, lipids or glucosteroids… Taken as a whole, these findings suggest that the benefit from bathing might lie primarily with the action of washing the pet.” To me, that meant It doesn’t really matter which shampoo you use, just as long as you regularly wash affected areas as recommended.

So we started Bowdu’s foot-washing regimen with some shampoos billed as natural or recommended by holistic pet stores — specifically Earthbath Green Tea Leaf and EQyss Micro-Tek Pet Shampoo.

Stop the itching!

Well, both of these aforementioned shampoos smelled lovely, but during the weeks that we were using these “gentle” shampoos, Bowdu still could not be trusted outside of his cone. I think I chose the wrong Earthbath product, since Green Tea Leaf was billed as being for preventative maintenance, not medication. Mediterranean Magic, with rosemary oil, is the one billed as having anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties. At any rate, this goes to show that selection of shampoo does matter. I believe I misunderstood the initial “Clinical Guidelines,” which probably make a distinction between medicated shampoos as treatment for known conditions and preventative shampoos.

As for the EQyss Micro Tek pet shampoo, we didn’t give it much of a chance to prove itself. The active ingredient, Trichlocarban (sic) or rather Triclocarban 0.20%, has been reported in recent years to disrupt endocrine activity. Since Bowdu’s endocrine system is precisely what is the problem here (thyroxine, not testosterone, being the hormone of concern), we decided to discontinue use of this shampoo immediately. Too bad if their patent-pending formula is “developed from NASA research on the decontamination of astronauts,” as it claims on the packaging. We already know that many dog lives were lost in the name of the space race, so this association with spaceman technology does not impress me.

So we returned to Septiderm-V (original review here) for one bath, before turning to Selsun Blue (Selenium sulfide) for humans. This is apparently a classic recommendation for canine yeast infections, according to various online sources.

Only after the bath with Selsun Blue did Bowdu’s paws feel noticeably less crusty, and his desire to lick his paws almost immediately went away. Little did I know that the best solution was lurking at the human drugstore all along…

But for all its efficacy, Selsun Blue is still a human shampoo, with sulfates that I worry will overdry Bowdu’s paws (even though I got the moisturizing aloe formula). So for one final measure, I picked up a bottle of DermaPet’s Mal-A-Ket shampoo (with 1% ketoconazole, 2% chlorhexidene, 2% acetic acid). It seemed as successful as Selsun Blue in controlling Bowdu’s itchiness, though his skin felt smoother only with Selsun Blue. We’ll keep Mal-A-Ket on hand (and try to forgive them for bad product naming) as our alternate medicated shampoo as we continue on our twice-weekly foot bathing regimen.


In summary…

PRODUCT: Earthbath Green Tea Leaf shampoo
Volume: 16 fl. oz (472 mL)
Price paid: $16.99 from local Pet Store A
Packaging description: Preventative maintenance for healthy skin & coat
Ingredients: Purified water, renewable coconut-based natural cleansers, extracts of green tea leaf, ginger & Hawaiian awapuhi, aloe vera, vitamin E, olive oil squalene (preservative). All ingredients are natural, 100% biodegradable, and gentle on your pet & you. [Also designated animal cruelty free]
Company information: Earthbath, P.O. Box 411050, San Francisco, CA 94141
Final Grade: W [Withdrawn from review, not considered a “medicated” shampoo]

PRODUCT: EQyss Micro-Tek Pet Shampoo, Maximum Strength
Volume: 16 fl. oz (473 mL)
Price paid: $16.99 from local Pet Store D
Packaging description: “The fastest acting skin problem shampoo ever developed! May on contact neutralize any skin problems. MICRO-TEK Pet Shampoo contains our patent pending formula developed from NASA research on the decontamination of astronauts. Combines ingredients to create the healthiest environment for healing. […] Stops biting, licking, and scratching; Neutralizes contact allergies; Neutralizes dry flaky skin conditions; Contains no soap or harsh detergents; Will not burn or hurt open wounds; Safe for puppies and kittens; Non-steroidal, Alcohol free; Reduces skin redness caused by irritation; Non-toxic – environmentally friendly”
Ingredients: Active ingredients – Trichlocarban 0.20%, Inactive ingredients: Deionized water, sodium laureth sulfate, cocamidopropyl betaine, cocamide DEA, polysorbate 20, Polysorbate 80, Polyquaternium 10, Allantoin, Sodium PCA, Glycosamino-glycans, Trichlocarban [again?], Aloe Vera, Extract of Clove, Thyme and Lavendar, DM Dm Hydantoin, Methylparaben, Tetrasodium EDTA, Citric Acid, Salt, Fragrance
Company information: EQyss Grooming Products, Inc., Carlsbad, CA 92013
Final Grade: C

PRODUCT: GreenTree Septiderm-V Skin Care Bath
Volume: 8 FL. OZ. (240 ml)
Price paid: $9.99 from local Pet Store B
Packaging description and ingredients: See original review from 18 August 2010
Final grade: B

PRODUCT: Mal-A-Ket shampoo
Volume: 8 Fl. Oz (237 mL)
Price Paid: $16.99 at local Pet Store E
Packaging description: Antiseptic, cleansing, medicated shampoo formulated for dogs, cats, and horses
Ingredients: Chlorhexidine Gluconate 2% w/w, Ketoconazole 1% w/w, 2% Acetic Acid in a shampoo base
Company information: DermaPet Inc., located in Potomac, MD, recently acquired by Dechra Veterinary Products (UK)
Final Grade: A-

PRODUCT: Selsun Blue Moisturizing Formula with Aloe
Volume: 11 Fl. Oz. (325 mL)
Price paid: $9.99 from Walgreen’s
Packaging description: For relief of flaking and itching due to dandruff and seborrheic dermatitis, and to help prevent their recurrence
Ingredients: Active ingredient – Selenium sulfide 1%, Inactive ingredients: water, ammonium lauryl sulfate, ammonium laureth sulfate, dihydrogenated tallow phthalic acid amide, sodium chloride, cocamide DEA, dimethicone, aloe barbadensis leaf juice, titanium dioxide, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, sodium isostearoyl lactylate, DMDM hydantoin, fragrance, citric acid, sodium citrate, FD&C blue no. 1
Company information: Chattem, Inc.; P.O. Box 2219; Chattanooga, TN 37409
Final Grade: A

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